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Joshua Bardwell

we might also start to wonder who is making these types of films,

Start with, "People who don't 'think too much'."

Sarah

I wish you'd gone into a bit more detail about how you think this film displays Orientalism. I think that conversation is worth having, but this blog post spent more time talking about the defensive reaction to your critique than the critique itself!

FWIW, I think this film's plot differed from the standard "Dances With Wolves" white savior/dumb noble savages narrative in a few key ways:

1. The Na'vi have just as much interest in studying Jake Sully as the humans have in studying them. This is subtle, but it puts the Na'vi on equal intellectual footing with the humans and makes them subject as well as object. They view the humans as Other just as much as the humans view them this way.

2. All the stuff about energy and the interconnectedness of Na'vi life - both spiritually and physically *could* be seen as making the Na'vi seem fuzzy and sub-rational. Except that it was actually, verifiably true. They were right and the humans were wrong - not in a morally, but factually.

Lyndon

Thanks Sarah, that was a good response.

I found myself agreeing with Jason's article and with Sally Raskoff's article, but I also new there was some other viewpoints missing.

Still, I think there is good reason to be cautious of anything that becomes so mainstream in this country, and question if it is really portraying (and getting across) an important message. In other words, you may be right, there may be a good message in the movie, but I certainly doubt it is getting across with any regularity. The 3-D really was pretty cool.

On your points:

1. Very interesting. The problem may be though that the humans were analyzing the Navi in order to control and dominate them, where as the Navi were trying to understand and protect themselves. Lastly the only way the Navi would be able to protect themselves in the long run is to either appropriate the technology of the humans or persuade the "human culture" to let the Navi live their lives undisturbed and to alter their ways under their own (illusory) autonomy.

2. I agree, I was trying to put my foot on that point. It seems though that the actions that the humans were taking should be condemned whether the Navi beliefs were factual or not. Our views of a people probably should not hinge on whether their religious beliefs are factual or not (on my account that pretty much goes against all religions and would condemn many peoples.) The fact that their world was interconnected justifies in our eyes their protection of every aspect of it. Hopefully, we cannot make the opposite claim and say that since our world is not factually interconnected in the Navi way it is okay to destroy without impugn certain environments, including the environments of other people. Not that that is what you were saying, just my thoughts on those problems.


Jason's point about other people's refusal to listen to his critique is important in its own right. The inability to think more deeply about culture and its reproduction, including the messages that are portrayed even in more relaxing moments, shows the closing off of our society to rationality and exposes our inability to control our own autonomy and agency in interaction with the culture that we are "forced" to be party to.

Bob the Builder

Ah, grad students...

Here's hoping you finish your thesis sometime soon and rejoin the real world.

So this is "thinking deeply" about your culture? Cut and paste charges of "racism" to everything that exists? Right.

Yafit

It makes you wonder what other hidden messages there are in movies. Directors do a good job at using technology to fool and hypnotize the public and at using emotions to sway the political message.

Kaitlyn

This post has made me realize how technology can really blind us. Technology has always had a big effect on the society in both a negative way and positive way. You, the author of this post, was obviously not blinded by technology and really saw through the movie. Your friends however, did not and that was the reaction you received. People these days have grown to ignore the important aspects in life and "get blinded by technology". They have changed their norms because of the advancement in technology. Technology has changed our society, and with this post, you have proven that it has changed it in a negative way.

Cal

I really liked what you had to say about the film. I was wondering, however, if your impression of the movie be the same if the main character was black (or any other racial minority)? The theme of the "civilized" savior would still be present, but I was wondering how you would perceive the film's racial implications?

To Bob the Builder above: you are reading a sociology blog. Unless you aren't familiar with the principles of sociology, what did you expect? Race is very important in sociology, and is not a topic that is arbitrarily thrown around like you implied.

Joya

Some folks just want their eyes and ears tickled. Seemingly, regular deep, reflective, comtemplative thinking is not a desirable choice of entertainment. "They" just feed us (Americans) whatever has been statistically tracked as titilating and profitable: Formula (in all its consummable shapes and sizes).

It takes discernment, discipline and action to say no to the pull of the inanity.

Amanda

So, I've never seen the movie Avatar but Jason Smith makes such an interesting point. Who would have thought that underlying all the technological advances in moviemaking could be racial inequality. Smith is more than convincing when he describes how viewers of the movie will only take note of the unbelievable technology and 3-D scenes and totally miss the message of the storyline. I loved that he quoted Popular Science as saying "'better hope those same audiences don’t think too much on the way out of the theater lest bad word of mouth does more damage to Pandora than the corporate marines.' " It seems to me that the director thought that we would be too thick-headed to see through the high tech visuals and recognize the racism. Maybe now I need to see the movie.

Anthony

Avatar has definitely received a lot of positive feed back for its special effects. But when your judging a movie, its important to judge the story as a whole rather then just the special effects of that movie; the special effects used in Avatar have clearly blinded viewers from understanding the story as a whole. In today's world, more and more people are becoming satisfied with special effects rather then a good plot. For example, have you realized that most of the movies that have been coming out are in 3D? A brief list of these movies include: A Christmas Carol, The Final Destination, Up, and Alice in Wonderland. That's not to mention that even classic movies such as The Nightmare Before Christmas and Toy Story have been resurrected in theaters with a new 3D twist. This obviously says something about how movies in today's world are taking a new lead in trying to use as much technology as possible which, in turn, is causing directors to put less time in coming up with a solid plot or story.

Bryan Neal

Blue Avatars. Ever heard of hinduism. Lord Krishna. There is the extent of your Orientalism. I think your veil analogy is ridiculous in reference to your critique of the film.

carolina

I like the media movies because it has a big advantage each day. Moreover, the movies have the fantastic effects where most people like to pen more attention. However, most of the people sometimes do not know the problems that it has. In addition, "Avatar was a great movie, and it has the best "film-drama", but I did not know because I did not see that movie. I think "Avatar" has something positive and negative points. Moreover, the positive thing was when Jake was doing his work, he had to help his friends, but unfortunate he felt in love with Neytiri and he forgets his mission. Finally, the Navi understood that Jake wanted to help them. The negative point was when it has to cut the three because human wanted to take for their self and they never think about the Navi that they also had to use this for suvivor. However, the most important part how the audience understood the behavior in the Avatar scenes.

Tom Pregon

I couldn't agree more about what Yafit said about how technology is a major factor in determining our reactions to so many things. It's funny how technology can act as a double-edged sword.

perry

Avatar was a recreation of what powewr does to everyone when you have resource need by the elite, and the insiders who see the wrong and what to change from the norm, and help the victim.

refinance mortgage

Jason I am glad that I am not the only one a bit disturbed by avatar. I thought the film did not really have much of a story line that is better than bollywood movies. A better effects and 3D to show for large finance available.

Evolve Media

My own experiences and the success that this film is enjoying suggest that the spectacle of technology is overshadowing the more important and detrimental aspects of this film.

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