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angela

I respect that this is written in the spirit of being very frustrated by a rash of student excuses, I've been there myself. Sometimes the excuses are just incredible. But there are also legitimate reasons a student might have issues (like a single parent who is trying to make their life better by going to school and is now dealing with a sick child), and I'm not sure we should assume that they're automatically bunk.

"Create an impression that you are a serious student, **even if it is only an impression**" Really? I don't want their impression, I want their honesty. I don't need to know their private back-stage stories, but I would hope that a student is not afraid to come to me when they have a legitimate issue with something class-related, just as much as I hope I have the wisdom to see when it's BS, too. Yes, I'm sure there are occasions when I have been fooled by students or I've given the benefit of the doubt and should not have, but I would much rather that be the case than to have not provided some understanding to a student who truly DOES want to do the work and succeed. I think the day I fail to recognize that higher education is not the pure meritocracy its painted to be, or that there are indeed many legitimate structural barriers that can impinge upon students, is the day that I should consider hanging up my sociology hat.

Janis Prince Inniss

Thanks, Angela. Other than a means to vent frustration, this piece is also written—or meant—to be tongue- in-cheek. Sounds like I didn’t get the latter sentiment across very well.

When a serious student does have a legitimate excuse, I think/hope most of us are happy to be understanding. I am. I’m happy to bend over backwards to help a student who wants to work. But in such cases, I see more than excuses. I see work, attempts, effort – and then life ‘happening’ and a request for assistance. (And yes, this is a time when a peek behind the curtain seems fine.) Like you, I hope to have the wisdom to see the difference…

To each his own. Although in jest, I would prefer an “impression” rather than badgering about what I can do as an instructor to improve a student’s grades with no indication from the student that he/she wants to EARN that grade – as you say wants to do the work. Otherwise, this is the kind of honesty I would like:
Student: I don’t want to do any work, but I want an A in this class.
Me: Not going to happen.
Student: OK. Then I won’t do the work and will expect an F or I’ll see if I can take this class with someone else.

Christopher Eje

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angela

Janis, thank you for the reply (one that I was very slooow to notice!)

I wholeheartedly agree that the willingness to put in the effort and DO the work is the crucial difference here. I have little patience for the "can you just GIVE me an A" students. Sorry, I really didn't mean to jump on you. I suppose I am just a bit touchy on this issue because I was a non-traditional undergrad in every sense - older, family of 5 to support, had to work full-time, etc. And I worked hard and did well, but over the years there were legitimate occasions where I simply could not meet a deadline or a task for family or work reasons. Same goes for many of my similarly-situated peers. I am so incredibly grateful for those professors who worked with us to make arrangements when we really needed it, but there were a couple who simply painted everyone with the same brush no matter what. For example, I watched one person strong-armed into dropping a necessary class (and subsequently ended up graduating later because she had to wait for the course to be offered again) because she simply couldn't make it to a required external event. She was a single parent with 2 small children, had started caretaking for her ailing mother, and couldn't afford a nurse to cover the evening time she needed to be away. Didn't matter that she had been a hard worker all semester, had an A in the course otherwise, nor that she was willing to do alternate work. I know others who ended up dropping out altogether, and it wasn't because of their academics or work ethic. That kind of stuff is very frustrating. You're absolutely right that so many students seriously need to get over that entitlement mindset. I wish we had an easy way to enforce that! On the flip side, I just think that if the structure and its representatives are only accommodating to one "model" of student, then we all lose.

Janis Prince Inniss

Hi again, Angela.

You're quite welcome. (Evidently we’re both taking a bit of time to check this space for correspondence. :-)). I ABSOLUTELY agree with you and understand where you’re coming from. This piece is not about those who work hard, but about those you describe as having the “entitlement mindset”; it’s an important distinction and I appreciate our ‘conversation’ to help tease that out.

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